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2014 Recruiting Thread (Updated 06.07.2013)

  • Frank C said...

    I think you greatly overestimate yourself.

    You ignored the undeniable fact that people have unique abilities. Michael Jordan is the greatest example. As a basketball player, Jordan is the GOAT. As a baseball player, he was below average.

    Moreover, you missed my point. Look past the names of the players I used and focus on their measurables. A 6'4" WR with 4.4 speed is a rarity. On the other hand, a 6'4" SG is actually undersized in the NBA. The average height of NBA SGs is nearly 6'6".

    Btw, chances are that Drake Harris is closer to 6'3" rather than 6'4". Listed heights tend to be inaccurate or exaggerated.

    Baseball is the least athletic of all the sports, it relies most on hand eye coordination that is a skill/ timing not particular to the discussion at all. Baseball players are typically overweight and overpaid!

    Is the kid expected to grow? Is 6'6 a fairly successful height in the NBA? (Jordan)

    On the overestimate that is probably true coffee

    Amazinglyblue78

  • Or maybe he plays BBall mostly and then goes football his senior year or tries to go to the NFL without playing in college. I know the Packers signed a WR who played BBall until he was a junior then switched to WR on South Dakota.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    They are great athletes, don't get me wrong, but football players are the total package when it comes to athleticism. Look at Dymonte Thomas for example, runs a 4.4 40, hits like a freight train, and can change direction in a split second. Basketball players are fast and well conditioned, but none of them come close to the strength that football players possess.

    Dymonte is my favorite recruit I think he is absolutely tremendous probably could be anything he wants athletically or otherwise. goblue

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  • Amazinglyblue78 said...

    Don't buy it at all LeBron could be the best player at every position in football. Maybe a few more burritos on the months he would play in the trenches. I said speed was about the same, its the change of direction that is the most athletic move, and basketball players do it extraordinarily well

    Lebron James is a freak of nature. He is arguably the greatest physical specimen thus far. However, his athletic ability doesn't guarantee that he would be successful at everything.

    I'd like to see James as a baseball hitter. Chances are a good pitcher would make him look foolish at the plate. (ESPN actually did something similar a few years back when they made Tracy McGrady hit against Roger Clemens.)

    Just because Chris Paul has great quickness doesn't mean that he would be a great slot WR.

    Just because Serge Ibaka is a great shot-blocker doesn't mean he would be a great OT.

    So my basic point is this:

    If Drake is significantly better at basketball than football, then he should pursue basketball.

    But if he is about even at both sports, then his listed measurables suggest that he should pick football over basketball.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Frank C on 6/25/2012 at 11:33 PM

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  • Frank C said...

    If Drake Harris chooses basketball over football, I will be somewhat disappointed.

    A 6'3" burner at WR is much more prized in the NFL than a 6'3" scorer at SG in the NBA.

    Okay, let's ease off on the "burner" stuff. He's tall, athletic and has great hands & ball skills, but, he does NOT have jaw dropping speed. If he grows another couple of inches, he'll be comparable to Herman Moore as a wideout, not Calvin Johnson or Randy Moss.

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  • Maize&Blue32 said...

    Okay, let's ease off on the "burner" stuff. He's tall, athletic and has great hands & ball skills, but, he does NOT have jaw dropping speed. If he grows another couple of inches, he'll be comparable to Herman Moore as a wideout, not Calvin Johnson or Randy Moss.

    Just so we are clear, my definition of burner is anyone with sub-4.5 speed.

    Some choose 4.4 as a cutoff. I set mine higher (which is more realistic).

    Most kids run a hand-timed 4.37 as a sophomore high school. Come draft time, they're lucky to run a 4.55.

    ;)

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  • Frank C said...

    Lebron James is a freak of nature. He is arguably the greatest physical specimen thus far. However, his athletic ability doesn't guarantee that he would be successful at everything.

    I'd like to see James as a baseball hitter. Chances are a good pitcher would make him look foolish at the plate. (ESPN actually did something similar a few years back when they made Tracy McGrady hit against Roger Clemens.)

    Just because Chris Paul has great quickness doesn't mean that he would be a great slot WR.

    Just because Serge Ibaka is a great shot-blocker doesn't mean he would be a great OT.

    So my basic point is this:

    If Drake is significantly better at basketball than football, then he should pursue basketball.

    But if he is about even at both sports, then his listed measurables suggest that he should pick football over basketball.

    That sounds very logical to pick the best opportunity at the given time. I would agree 6'4 has a better potential with his coordination in the NFL. Most extremely gifted athletes dream of MJ and Magic probably in Drake's case. Sounds like a great kid hope he is very successful. Just not against Michigan!

    You the man Frank love your work.

    Thank you!

    Amazinglyblue78

  • I think we were in agreement for most of the discussion.

    And I appreciate the kind words.

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  • Frank C said...

    I think we were in agreement for most of the discussion.

    And I appreciate the kind words.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Probably the same speed, it's just because they play on a small court, doesn't make them any faster. I can only think of a few NBA players that would have the speed to play in the NFL, Dwade being one of the few. Lebron is considered one of the fastest players in the NBA and he would have to be a TE because he doesn't have the speed to be a vertical threat.

    Lebron could play every position in football (with his current physique) besides O-Line and DT

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  • Awink2 said...

    Lebron could play every position in football (with his current physique) besides O-Line and DT

    Not CB or running back. I mean he could, but how many 6'5+ running backs or CB's do you ever see?

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  • Saw Drake play both sports this year... He could be special at either one but seems to have more love for basketball... I would have to agree that if all things are equal, football should be the route but its tough for a 16 year old to see that... He is rail thin and needs quite a bit of muscle for football but his ability to leap is a huge mismatch considering he is also 6'4 with long arms... Hope he is a Wolverine and will watch him at least a couple times with Doles this fall.

    jnewberg24

  • There have been examples of players not playing a down of football in college (Antonio Gates, Steve Neal) or trying out another sport first (Weinke, Weeden) but still leading very productive careers... I can't think of anybody who can say the same thing in regards to basketball. I think the chances of going to play basketball and not making it, there could still be a chance to crossover into football... if you dedicate your time to football, I don't see it likely to be able to make that switch over to basketball.

    I think one of the main things being overlooked is the simple numbers... there just simply aren't as many basketball positions to go for as there are NFL... on top of that basketball players are competing for those spots w/ the entire world, when football players are limited to basically the U.S.

    thevictor_11

  • Any word if the coaches are recruiting Dylan Roney the DE from Detroit Catholic Central? Reminds me of Roh from when he was in high school.

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  • LEXwolverine1 said...

    Any word if the coaches are recruiting Dylan Roney the DE from Detroit Catholic Central? Reminds me of Roh from when he was in high school.

    He's definitely on their radar, I think Shallman's talked about him a few times, and I think the coaches have also taken visits out to watch some of his games.

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  • Thinking he may be 14's Kenton Gibbs

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  • LEXwolverine1 said...

    Any word if the coaches are recruiting Dylan Roney the DE from Detroit Catholic Central? Reminds me of Roh from when he was in high school.

    Is that a good thing? No knock on Roh, but we certainly should be aiming higher.

    Luger

  • Awink2 said...

    Lebron could play every position in football (with his current physique) besides O-Line and DT

    I saw Lebron catch 3 tds in a game vs west holmes...He was a football stud.

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    wingerine66

  • idk, Roh will be a 4 year starter and was ranked highly across the board on every recruiting site. Has he lived up to all of our expectations? Probably not but Roh has been a solid starter for 3 years and is will be even better his last year as a Wolverine.

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  • thevictor_11 said...

    There have been examples of players not playing a down of football in college (Antonio Gates, Steve Neal) or trying out another sport first (Weinke, Weeden) but still leading very productive careers... I can't think of anybody who can say the same thing in regards to basketball. I think the chances of going to play basketball and not making it, there could still be a chance to crossover into football... if you dedicate your time to football, I don't see it likely to be able to make that switch over to basketball.

    I think one of the main things being overlooked is the simple numbers... there just simply aren't as many basketball positions to go for as there are NFL... on top of that basketball players are competing for those spots w/ the entire world, when football players are limited to basically the U.S.

    Think that that would have more to do with the lack of height. Tallest NFL players are usually what 6'8 max? And those are your extremely tall OT. Which would be undersized PF. Tallest skill guys are probably 6'5 which would be undersized SG. Gates was an undersized basketball player, not so with football. Has more to do with height than anything else.

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  • BennyG34 said...

    Thinking he may be 14's Kenton Gibbs

    I think Roney will get an offer. IMO he's a better prospect than Gibbs.

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  • BDohnFoxSportsNext ‏@BrianDohnScout
    Talked to 2014 DB Jabrill Peppers. He said he wants to go to medical school. Great to hear. #veryimpressed

    This bodes well for Michigan given the prestige of the med school. Then again, it looks like Stanford is in the race, and I think we're all familiar with Josh Garnett's ultimate decision between Michigan and Stanford med-school. The difference here is that Peppers is on the opposite side of the country, much like Garnett was. Hopefully this only attracts Peppers to UofM more than the school already has.

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  • Luger said...

    Is that a good thing? No knock on Roh, but we certainly should be aiming higher.

    Roh will be drafted next April in the first 3 or 4 rounds. Shitty player development from the last coaching staff held alot of guys back career wise. Honestly, it's really not even fair to judge kids like him , Campbell, etc... considering the "defensive staff " that they were playing under before Hoke and company came in. Alot of careers were pissed away and alot of talent went underdeveloped during those years. Thankfully, that has changed I look for both to have really good years.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by TheDudeAbides21 on 6/26/2012 at 4:53 PM

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  • Ducksworth said...

    I think Roney will get an offer. IMO he's a better prospect than Gibbs.

    I agree, I want him at UofM

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  • fursty13 said...

    BDohnFoxSportsNext ‏@BrianDohnScout Talked to 2014 DB Jabrill Peppers. He said he wants to go to medical school. Great to hear. #veryimpressed

    This bodes well for Michigan given the prestige of the med school. Then again, it looks like Stanford is in the race, and I think we're all familiar with Josh Garnett's ultimate decision between Michigan and Stanford med-school. The difference here is that Peppers is on the opposite side of the country, much like Garnett was. Hopefully this only attracts Peppers to UofM more than the school already has.

    Would make sense for it to be a race between us and Stanford if medical school is a big factor for him. Can't go wrong with either, but distance could be a great advantage for us. Not sure if Miami has a good program or not. Hopefully he's putting more emphasis on medical school than rapping. Don't recall, is he planning to visit this summer?

    UMFB ●

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