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  • Don't get too wrapped up in the rankings. cheers

    buttesnake

  • buttesnake said...

    Don't get too wrapped up in the rankings. cheers

    But its proof of the anti-Michigan conspiracy panicpanicpanic
    sarcasm

    UMPat

  • For example, we watched Taco's film and we all some great things regardless of what bucknuts said. Sometimes the analysts agree, sometimes they don't. Regardless, all these guys we're concerned about are still highly regarded recruits. Remember as the year goes on prospects get hot and move up. As a result, "your" prospect has a better chance of moving down than up. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're bad or something happened, it's just that other prospects have outperformed. Levenberry's drop doesn't apply in this case.

    buttesnake

  • According to Tremendous's blog on tos, we may lead for Massington!

    goblue

    MichaelHardenII

  • buttesnake said...

    Don't get too wrapped up in the rankings. cheers

    The rankings are nice but they are not the end all for a prospect, but the rankings usually dictate overall talent so by bringing in a ton of 4 stars you are going to be a really good team if you can properly develop them. There are a ton of busts with 4*s but it usually doesn't have to do with the physical aspect on which these rankings are usually based, it is how they handle the mental aspect of the game and whether they want to take good coaching and learn the proper fundamentals along with technique needed to be successful on the DI level.

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    MaizeandBlue21

  • buttesnake said...

    For example, we watched Taco's film and we all some great things regardless of what bucknuts said. Sometimes the analysts agree, sometimes they don't. Regardless, all these guys we're concerned about are still highly regarded recruits. Remember as the year goes on prospects get hot and move up. As a result, "your" prospect has a better chance of moving down than up. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're bad or something happened, it's just that other prospects have outperformed. Levenberry's drop doesn't apply in this case.

    Levenberry's dropoff (and even Isaac's IMO) is so big it makes me at least wonder about the methodology. It seems as if 247 simply didn't have the time and resources to reasonably evaluate most of the top players before they put out their initial rankings. If that is true, they should have waited until they had more confidence in the rankings before making them public. To have players jumping or dropping by massive amounts in a very short period of time with no camps or games upon which to base the changes makes it look like the rankings are built on very little in terms of an analytical foundation.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 3/30/2012 at 4:49 PM

    MrWoodson

  • maize&blue21 said...

    The rankings are nice but they are not the end all for a prospect, but the rankings usually dictate overall talent so by bringing in a ton of 4 stars you are going to be a really good team if you can properly develop them. There are a ton of busts with 4*s but it usually doesn't have to do with the physical aspect on which these rankings are usually based, it is how they handle the mental aspect of the game and whether they want to take good coaching and learn the proper fundamentals along with technique needed to be successful on the DI level.

    Very true, I meant more of the minutiae associated with rankings. Think of the rankings more broadly instead of narrowly. Ranges instead of numerical ranking.

    buttesnake

  • MrWoodson said...

    Levenberry's dropoff (and even Isaac's IMO) is so big it makes me at least wonder about the methodology. It seems as if 247 simply didn't have the time and resources to reasonably evaluate most of the top players before it put out its initial rankings. If that is true, they should have waited until they had more confidence in the rankings before making them public. To have players jumping or dropping by massive amounts in a very short period of time with no camps or games to base the changes makes it look like the rankings are built on very little in terms of an analytical foundation.

    I can agree with that.

    buttesnake

  • MichaelHardenII said...

    According to Tremendous's blog on tos, we may lead for Massington!

    goblue

    I hear we lead until LSU drops

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    RicoX19

  • MrWoodson said...

    Levenberry's dropoff (and even Isaac's IMO) is so big it makes me at least wonder about the methodology. It seems as if 247 simply didn't have the time and resources to reasonably evaluate most of the top players before they put out their initial rankings. If that is true, they should have waited until they had more confidence in the rankings before making them public. To have players jumping or dropping by massive amounts in a very short period of time with no camps or games upon which to base the changes makes it look like the rankings are built on very little in terms of an analytical foundation.

    But they are built on a strong financial foundation - never underestimate that reasoning.
    The fact that 247 released 2013 rankings first is what first led me to this site and now I'm a VIP member. If they were just going for stability and accuracy, no rankings would be released for another 11 months. And then what would we do panic

    UMPat

  • RicoX19 said...

    I hear we lead until LSU drops

    Makes sense...

    MichaelHardenII

  • UMPat said...

    But they are built on a strong financial foundation - never underestimate that reasoning.
    The fact that 247 released 2013 rankings first is what first led me to this site and now I'm a VIP member. If they were just going for stability and accuracy, no rankings would be released for another 11 months. And then what would we do panic

    IMO the business decision was to kick out something by a certain date even though they knew it wasn't very good. The primary goal was to be first rather than best.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 3/30/2012 at 5:10 PM

    MrWoodson

  • UMPat said...

    But they are built on a strong financial foundation - never underestimate that reasoning. The fact that 247 released 2013 rankings first is what first led me to this site and now I'm a VIP member. If they were just going for stability and accuracy, no rankings would be released for another 11 months. And then what would we do panic

    Good point.

    buttesnake

  • Well, at least Massington denied that LSU leads right now. That could obviously change if they offer but we could still beat them out if we can get him on campus to experience Michigan firsthand. If LSU jumps ahead of Michigan after this weekend, I won't be surprised. I don't think we'll have a clear picture until he's seen both Michigan and LSU.

    UMFB

  • MrWoodson said...

    Exactly. The business decision was to kick out something by a certain date even though they knew it wasn't very good. The primary goal was to be first rather than best.

    I think in the future, you're going to see 247 devote more resources to those early rankings. They should only get better. But for sure, they received a lot of attention for the early rankings.

    buttesnake

  • MrWoodson said...

    IMO the business decision was to kick out something by a certain date even though they knew it wasn't very good. The primary goal was to be first rather than best.

    Definitely was, the amount of traffic that came flocking here for the full ranking must have been high. I thought of that when the rankings came out so early. The initial rankings could have been done haphazardly (speed being the primary focus) with the intention of updating them later upon further analysis.

    I also noticed that the position the recruit will play in college has affected the rankings. Shallman and Butt have dropped two points each when it was made known that neither were committed primarily as DEs.

    UMFB

  • That new Isaac rating is a head scratcher. Kid is a gamer. I'd be surprised if he wasn't in the top 40 at a minimum in the final list.

    "The North shall rise again." General Meyer

    richardparker10

  • I remember reading on here that Levenberry would eventually drop but I didn't expect him to drop over 200 spots. That's very surprising especially since (as MrWoodson pointed out) there isn't new material to judge for the analyts.

    Still, I'm not concerned. I use the rankings to supplement my own judgement.

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    Frank C

  • Frank C said...

    I remember reading on here that Levenberry would eventually drop but I didn't expect him to drop over 200 spots. That's very surprising especially since (as MrWoodson pointed out) there isn't new material to judge for the analyts.

    Still, I'm not concerned. I use the rankings to supplement my own judgement.

    His offer list is a "who's who" of elite programs - MICHIGAN, USC, ALABAMA, LSU, GEORGIA, FLORIDA, FSU, AUBURN, TENNESSEE, NOTRE DAME, OSU, OKLAHOMA. Maybe he and his dad pissed off the 247 guys by not giving them an interview or something.

    shrug

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 3/30/2012 at 7:07 PM

    MrWoodson

  • Here's a different topic to discuss.

    We now have 16 commits. I don't know how many spots we'll have open by NSD in 2013 but I figured that it might be time to come up with a new list of recruits our coaches are pursuing given the limited number of spots.

    DT/DE
    Eddie Vanderdoes (from California)
    Tracy Sprinkle (from Ohio)
    Greg Webb (from New Jersey)
    Darius Latham (from Indiana)
    Tashawn Bower (from New Jersey)
    Henry Poggi (from Maryland)
    Joe Mathis (from California) - potential package deal with Cravens
    Alquadin Muhammad (from New Jersey)
    Wyatt Teller (from Virginia)

    LB
    Ben Gedeon (from Ohio)
    EJ Levenberry (from Virginia)

    CB
    Cameron Walker (from California)
    Cole Luke (from Colorado)
    Devin Butler (from Maryland) - headed to PSU?
    Tre Bell (from New Jersey)

    S
    Su'a Cravens (from California) - package deal with Mathis?
    Shane Cockerille (from Maryland)

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    RB
    Ty Isaac (from Illinois)

    WR
    Laquon Treadwell (from Illinois)
    Devon Allen (from Arizona) track star
    Eldridge Massington (from Texas) - waiting on LSU offer? Michigan leads as of now
    Marcell Ateman (from Texas)
    Darrell Daniels (from California)
    Marquez North (from North Carolina)
    James Quick (from Kentucky)
    Zach Bradshaw (from Maryland)
    Sebastian Larue (from California)
    Uriah Lemay (from North Carolina) - SEC-bound?

    OL (Will we take a 6th?)
    Ethan Pocic
    Laremy Tunsil (UF or FSU?)

    Am I missing anyone else?

    This post was edited by Frank C on 3/31/2012 at 12:02 AM

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    Frank C

  • Frank C said...

    Here's a different topic to discuss.

    We now have 16 commits. I don't know how many spots we'll have open by NSD in 2013 but I figured that it might be time to come up with a new list of recruits our coaches are pursuing given the limited number of spots.

    DT/DE
    Eddie Vanderdoes (from California)
    Tracy Sprinkle (from Ohio)
    Greg Webb (from New Jersey)
    Darius Latham (from Indiana)
    Tashawn Bower (from New Jersey)
    Henry Poggi (from Maryland)

    LB
    Ben Gedeon
    EJ Levenberry

    CB
    Cameron Walker
    Cole Luke

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    RB
    Ty Isaac

    WR
    Laquon Treadwell
    Devon Allen
    Eldridge Massington
    Marcell Ateman
    Darrell Daniels

    OL (?)
    Ethan Pocic

    Am I missing anyone?

    I think were still after priest willis, cravens is taking an official and laremy is taking an official if i remember correctly

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    victorsclub

  • victorsclub said...

    I think were still after priest willis, cravens is taking an official and laremy is taking an official if i remember correctly

    Willis will not happen, not sure we are even heavily recruiting him at this point. Laremy will most likely not end up taking an official, even if he did the chances are extremely slim.

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    MaizeandBlue21

  • Frank C said...

    Here's a different topic to discuss.

    We now have 16 commits. I don't know how many spots we'll have open by NSD in 2013 but I figured that it might be time to come up with a new list of recruits our coaches are pursuing given the limited number of spots.

    DT/DE Eddie Vanderdoes (from California) Tracy Sprinkle (from Ohio) Greg Webb (from New Jersey) Darius Latham (from Indiana) Tashawn Bower (from New Jersey) Henry Poggi (from Maryland)

    LB Ben Gedeon EJ Levenberry

    CB Cameron Walker Cole Luke

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    RB Ty Isaac

    WR Laquon Treadwell Devon Allen Eldridge Massington Marcell Ateman Darrell Daniels

    OL (?) Ethan Pocic

    Am I missing anyone?

    Add:

    DE Joe Mathis
    DE Alquadin Muhammad

    CB Devin Butler
    CB Tre Bell

    S Shane Cockerille
    S Su'a Cravens

    RB will open up if Isaac goes elsewhere, but I think just Isaac is good

    WR Marquez North
    WR James Quick
    WR Zach Bradshaw

    OL Laremy Tunsil

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    Ducksworth

  • Ducksworth said...

    Add:

    DE Joe Mathis DE Alquadin Muhammad

    CB Devin Butler CB Tre Bell

    S Shane Cockerille S Su'a Cravens

    RB will open up if Isaac goes elsewhere, but I think just Isaac is good

    WR Marquez North WR James Quick WR Zach Bradshaw

    OL Laremy Tunsil

    Forgot one major guy:

    WR Sebastian Larue!

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    wolverineblue

  • And WR Uriah Lemay

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    Ducksworth