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  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    Based on what. I'd like an answer to this other than a gut feeling. The reality is that no one knows right now. To act like we have no shot is ridiculous given the lack of info we have about his recruitment.

    We went from clear leader and him almost committing to Missouri, Florida, Texas, and Ole Miss getting into the mix along with the Oklahoma schools that he wanted to get a look at. It's not a good thing.

    It's not a lack of info... it's just info that we don't want to hear. We still may have a shot, but if I had to put money on UM or the field, I'd take the field without a doubt.

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  • thevictor_11 said...

    If only star rankings for 17 year old kids determined who was great i'd agree with you.

    Like someone said above, attitude trumps talent... if someone has the proper attitude they will work their ass off to become the best. If the coaches feel like someone is a bit to arrogant to take proper coaching then i'd take a 3 star w/ an amazing work ethic over a lazy 5 star anyday.

    Not saying LT is lazy, I know nothing about him personally and he takes pride in run blocking. But to act like 1 teenage kid is the end-all be-all to the recruiting season is crazy.

    If you don't know him personally, how do you know there's something wrong with his attitude?

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    We went from clear leader and him almost committing to Missouri, Florida, Texas, and Ole Miss getting into the mix along with the Oklahoma schools that he wanted to get a look at. It's not a good thing.

    It's not a lack of info... it's just info that we don't want to hear. We still may have a shot, but if I had to put money on UM or the field, I'd take the field without a doubt.

    Again this is all speculation that he almost commited or what not. If someone gives me a valid reason, I'll listen.

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  • kylebennett7127 said...

    .....treads..............................treads

    Cut that out.

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  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    Again this is all speculation that he almost commited or what not. If someone gives me a valid reason, I'll listen.

    It's not speculation... he said it himself.

    “I’ve gotten real close to actually making it out and everything,” Treadwell said about possibly committing. “I told my mom and a couple coaches one time. Only thing that held me back is there are a couple of other schools and they’re special programs and I want to see what they have before I make my decision.”

    Originally he wanted to see both Oklahoma schools before making a decision, but now the list has grown, and grown... that's not a good thing. You're in denial if you think we are still the clear leader.

    This post was edited by Clarkw267 on 10/3/2012 at 4:09 PM

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  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    Again this is all speculation that he almost commited or what not. If someone gives me a valid reason, I'll listen.

    Both Allen Treiu and our beloved Wiltfong have backed off the "Michigan leads" angle. Right now it seems that Michigan, who Treadwell has visited a half dozen times, is about even with a bunch of schools that Treadwell hasn't visited, oh and Ole Miss.

    That's not trending well for Michigan.

    Of course, I think its silly to think Michigan can't put together the best receiving corps in the Big10 out of their '12 and '13 class.

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    It's not speculation... he said it himself.

    “I’ve gotten real close to actually making it out and everything,” Treadwell said about possibly committing. “I told my mom and a couple coaches one time. Only thing that held me back is there are a couple of other schools and they’re special programs and I want to see what they have before I make my decision.”

    Originally he wanted to see both Oklahoma schools before making a decision, but now the list has grown, and grown... that's not a good thing. You're in denial if you think we are still the clear leader.

    I really think that quote pertains to Michigan.

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  • Tremendous did a nice write up on Green for anyone interested

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  • Moon said...

    IF he comes to UM...fine. If not....fine. We'll play Michigan football with or without him. We have Darboh and Chesson right now that seem to be pretty good players too. So if we don't land an Elite 2013 WR I think we're OK, but we will definitely need 1 or 2 in 2014.

    That complacency is why no other program right now is Alabama....they get their top targets year and and year out, and are good every single year, because they have the elite talent to step up and fill the shoes for those who graduate, go to the league or get injured.....We need Treadwell, because if we dont get him we will not be as good as we could be.

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  • Awink2 said...

    That complacency is why no other program right now is Alabama....they get their top targets year and and year out, and are good every single year, because they have the elite talent to step up and fill the shoes for those who graduate, go to the league or get injured.....We need Treadwell, because if we dont get him we will not be as good as we could be.

    No other program is Bama because they don't have Nick Saban. You think maybe all the championships and players in the NFL have something to do with them stock piling recruits?

    UM can't offer that right now.

    We are one year removed from being a program trying to make a bowl game. Some of you are trying to put the cart before the horse.

    Hoke has it right. Build your team from the inside out. If UM consistently can win in the trenches then we will consistently be a top program and will attract the shiny 5* recruits everyone is gushing over.

    Also, UM likely will never reach Bama levels of success. That's just reality. Bama can take Jucos, cut underclassmen, funnel ineligible kids to feeder schools so they can enroll, pay players... and probably a lot of other shady stuff I will never know about. It's the SEC. It's not a level playing field so comparing us to them isn't a fair fight.

    Norbit

  • Norbit said...

    No other program is Bama because they don't have Nick Saban. You think maybe all the championships and players in the NFL have something to do with them stock piling recruits?

    UM can't offer that right now.

    We are one year removed from being a program trying to make a bowl game. Some of you are trying to put the cart before the horse.

    Hoke has it right. Build your team from the inside out. If UM consistently can win in the trenches then we will consistently be a top program and will attract the shiny 5* recruits everyone is gushing over.

    Also, UM likely will never reach Bama levels of success. That's just reality. Bama can take Jucos, cut underclassmen, funnel ineligible kids to feeder schools so they can enroll, pay players... and probably a lot of other shady stuff I will never know about. It's the SEC. It's not a level playing field so comparing us to them isn't a fair fight.

    +1 Great post my man

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  • I gotta be honest, I would not be as excited about Taco if his name wasn't Taco..

    I mean really, would you rather have a DE named Taco or a DE named Steve?

    Taco 4 life

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  • Also, UM likely will never reach Bama levels of success. That's just reality. Bama can take Jucos, cut underclassmen, funnel ineligible kids to feeder schools so they can enroll, pay players... and probably a lot of other shady stuff I will never know about. It's the SEC. It's not a level playing field so comparing us to them isn't a fair fight.

    Completely agree with this paragraph on the shady practices, but Saban would be much less effective he had significantly less talented players. This difference with Bama is they were in our shoes is that Bama would get Deveon Smith, Ty Isaac and/or Derrick Green, they would also get Laquon Treadwell no doubt

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  • wingerine66 said...

    I really think that quote pertains to Michigan.

    It does... the other guy said it was all speculation that Treadwell was thinking about committing to UM. He's quoted in that interview saying he almost did.

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  • Awink2 said...

    That complacency is why no other program right now is Alabama....they get their top targets year and and year out, and are good every single year, because they have the elite talent to step up and fill the shoes for those who graduate, go to the league or get injured.....We need Treadwell, because if we dont get him we will not be as good as we could be.

    Yeah.. Robert Nkemdiche, Reuben Foster, and Shane Morris are going to look good in the Crimson and White... Oh wait, they didn't pick Bama did they?

    We have a top 3 recruiting class in 2013 and 2014 is shaping up very nicely for us as well. Give it some time before you decide to jump off the ledge.

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    Give it some time before you decide to jump off the ledge.

    Point out to me the part of awink's post that led you think he had "decided to jump off the ledge."

    Also, NSD is still many months away...

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  • bkp1883 said...

    Cut that out.

    Stop shortening his name? Do you feel that I am degrading him or being disrespectful?

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  • Awink2 said...

    That complacency is why no other program right now is Alabama....they get their top targets year and and year out, and are good every single year, because they have the elite talent to step up and fill the shoes for those who graduate, go to the league or get injured.....We need Treadwell, because if we dont get him we will not be as good as we could be.

    There is nothing complacent about missing out on a target. From what we can tell the coaches have been recruiting treadwell for a long time, coach heck and Montgomery stay in contact with him. Fact is we haven't won multiple national championships in the recent years. Saban is a great coach but his program has several years on us. Treadwell can't even see the offense we want to employ, hell he doesn't even know who the quarterback will be when he arrives. As a program of course you shoot for the stars but some folks act like missing and landing on the moon is failure. We are still in year 2 of a new coach. Recruits need to see us in the national championship conversation yr after yr before we have 5 stars coming in herds like bama. I do believe hoke is building a program that will do that but to say missing on a kid, who obviously would help us tremendously, is complacency is quite short sighted.

    This post was edited by Luger on 10/4/2012 at 7:44 AM

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  • Awink2 said...

    That complacency is why no other program right now is Alabama....they get their top targets year and and year out, and are good every single year, because they have the elite talent to step up and fill the shoes for those who graduate, go to the league or get injured.....We need Treadwell, because if we dont get him we will not be as good as we could be.

    But maybe it's just semantics I have beef with

    This post was edited by Luger on 10/4/2012 at 7:43 AM

    Luger

  • I think some have gotten hung up on awink's use of the word "complacency."

    I get the gist of what he's saying: Alabama gets the players it wants because of its relentlessness. Does Saban and his staff miss out on some blue-chippers? Absolutely. But when push comes to shove, they gets the players they need to ensure that Alabama consistently plays at a exceptionally high level.

    My response to awink is simple: Let's wait for this recruiting cycle to play out. We can evaluate things after they have run their course.

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  • Frank C said...

    I think some have gotten hung up on awink's use of the word "complacency."

    I get the gist of what he's saying: Alabama gets the players it wants because of its relentlessness. Does Saban and his staff miss out on some blue-chippers? Absolutely. But when push comes to shove, they gets the players they need to ensure that Alabama consistently plays at a exceptionally high level.

    My response to awink is simple: Let's wait for this recruiting cycle to play out. We can evaluate things after they have run their course.

    I think you are absolutely correct in everything you said.
    And yes everyone is getting Hung up on the word "complacency", but I understand what he is saying.

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  • Frank C said...

    I think some have gotten hung up on awink's use of the word "complacency."

    I get the gist of what he's saying: Alabama gets the players it wants because of its relentlessness. Does Saban and his staff miss out on some blue-chippers? Absolutely. But when push comes to shove, they gets the players they need to ensure that Alabama consistently plays at a exceptionally high level.

    My response to awink is simple: Let's wait for this recruiting cycle to play out. We can evaluate things after they have run their course.

    But awink implies that if we miss then someone was being complacent. There is no reason to believe our coaches are any less relentless than bama. Fact is Saban is known by name alone. My wife knew who Saban was but could not name one player on bama's team. Players know the name and the accolades and want to play for him. To compare our coach to the bar of Saban's name is being naive. Every part of me believes Hoke will have that status in the near future but we aren't there yet. Bama as a school is ranked top 5 for the last 5 yrs or so. 2 national championships recently, both resonates with recruits thus they can get the elite guys. Saban and the schools success gets the top guys, What evidence shows bama is more relentless than us in pursuit of players? We just need time to show that we are an elite program as well, that takes several years, then Hoke's name will be known and our relentlessness will also show a result of herds of 5 stars.

    This post was edited by Luger on 10/4/2012 at 10:12 AM

    Luger

  • How many recruits were quoted saying Michigan is recruiting them as hard if not harder then any other school. Even recruits who ended up going elsewhere.

    Norbit

  • Frank C said...

    Point out to me the part of awink's post that led you think he had "decided to jump off the ledge."

    Also, NSD is still many months away...

    This whole notion that we need to get Treadwell, and that we'll never be on Alabama's level is just over dramatic.

    Also contrary to belief, Bama loses a bunch of recruiting battles, there's no guarantee they would get Treadwell if they were in our situation. They're just in on a ton of kids so it doesn't seem like they do. We're putting together a great class, one player won't make or break it.

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  • Luger said...

    But awink implies that if we miss then someone was being complacent. There is no reason to believe our coaches are any less relentless than bama. Fact is Saban is known by name alone. My wife knew who Saban was but could not name one player on bama's team. Players know the name and the accolades and want to play for him. To compare our coach to the bar of Saban's name is being naive. Every part of me believes Hoke will have that status in the near future but we aren't there yet. Bama as a school is ranked top 5 for the last 5 yrs or so. 2 national championships recently, both resonates with recruits thus they can get the elite guys. Saban and the schools success gets the top guys, What evidence shows bama is more relentless than us in pursuit of players? We just need time to show that we are an elite program as well, that takes several years, then Hoke's name will be known and our relentlessness will also show a result of herds of 5 stars.

    the relentlessness may be attributable to the nature of the SEC recruiting and or shady side of things. Going after committed players, etc. The subjectivity of the word he chose has muddled his point. I may be reading too much into it, but this is what I took it for....saban and his relentless approach meant his all out approach to landing a guy no matter how long or how hard he has to work on the kid.

    But i also see your point. Its is your view point that hopefully becomes a reality sooner rather later. I mean we did win out for Poggi didnt we? But if a kid decides to say " hey coach hoke, i like where im committed", then hoke would leave him be. Its not like that under the Saban regime. If they pull two top kids a cycle this way(you do see a ton of swapping schools late in the SEC or anywhere for that matter), then it makes a big difference over a couple year period.

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